Spiel(e) stürzen ab...HARDWAREFEHLER???

von **oemer** am 06.02.2007, 21:43

Hallo Leute,

ich habe ein problem:
seit ich meinen pc formatiert habe (und auch neue graka und ram speicher eingebaut habe) starte ich steam und danach cs 1.6 und dann kommen die 2 typen und schwups gelange ich zurück zum desktop. da erscheind auch keine meldung oder so. steam läuft dann noch weiter.

ich habe schon steam re-installiert. klappt trotzdem nicht!!
ich glaube es liegt etwas an der hardware...

doch alle anderen spiele laufen ganz normal. nur halt cs 1.6..

Kann mir da einer bitte helfen???

von **web-king** am 06.02.2007, 21:49

Hallo poste mal deine Komplette hardware! Dann lade dir mal everest runter und gehe auf computer---> sensoren und poste den text hier rein!

http://www.zdnet.de/downloads/prg/1/x/de011X-wc.html

von **oemer** am 08.02.2007, 18:54

also ich habe 1,3ghz, 768MB SD-RAM, GeForce 6200A..reciht das?

und hier mit everest:

Sensor Eigenschaften:
Sensortyp VIA 686 Internal (ISA C00h)
GPU Sensortyp Driver (NV-DRV)

Temperaturen:
Motherboard 23 °C (73 °F)
CPU 88 °C (190 °F)
Aux 23 °C (73 °F)
Grafikprozessor (GPU) 41 °C (106 °F)
Seagate ST340810A 34 °C (93 °F)

Kühllüfter:
CPU 4623 RPM

Spannungswerte:
CPU Core 1.74 V
+2.5 V 2.48 V
+3.3 V 3.29 V
+5 V 4.83 V
+12 V 11.63 V
Debug Info F 92 00
Debug Info T 81 E9 81
Debug Info V 92 D0 CF C3 C2

Debug - PCI

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B00 D00 F00: VIA VT8364(A) Apollo KL133(A) / VT8365(A) ProSavage KM133(A) Chipset - System Controller

Offset 00: 06 11 05 03 06 00 10 22 81 00 00 06 00 00 00 00
Offset 10: 08 00 00 E0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 30: 00 00 00 00 A0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 40: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 50: 16 F4 8B B4 42 B8 30 30 8E 00 08 10 30 30 30 30
Offset 60: 0F AA 03 20 E6 E6 D5 D5 50 5C 86 0F 08 2F 00 00
Offset 70: DE 88 CC 0C 0E A1 A2 00 01 05 19 02 00 00 00 08
Offset 80: 0F 44 00 00 C0 00 00 00 03 00 01 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 90: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset A0: 02 C0 20 00 07 02 00 1F 04 03 00 00 6F 02 04 00
Offset B0: 7F 7F 18 18 AA F4 00 80 20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset C0: 01 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset E0: 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset F0: 00 00 00 00 00 09 83 00 22 42 00 00 20 80 00 00

B00 D01 F00: VIA AGP Controller

Offset 00: 06 11 05 83 07 00 30 22 00 00 04 06 00 00 01 00
Offset 10: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 01 00 F0 00 00 00
Offset 20: E0 DB E0 DF C0 BB C0 DB 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 30: 00 00 00 00 80 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0C 00
Offset 40: CB CD 08 44 24 72 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 50: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 60: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 70: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 80: 01 00 02 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 90: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

B00 D07 F00: VIA VT82C686B PCI-ISA Bridge

Offset 00: 06 11 86 06 87 00 10 02 40 00 01 06 00 00 80 00
Offset 10: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 11 86 06
Offset 30: 00 00 00 00 C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 40: 08 40 00 00 00 80 62 EE 01 01 44 00 00 00 00 F3
Offset 50: 0E 06 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 FF 08 D0 00 00 00
Offset 60: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 70: 00 00 00 00 01 00 04 12 00 00 04 08 00 00 00 00
Offset 80: 10 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 60 00 02 00 00 00 00
Offset 90: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset C0: 01 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 42 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

B00 D07 F01: VIA VT82C571 IDE Controller

Offset 00: 06 11 71 05 07 00 90 02 06 8A 01 01 00 20 00 00
Offset 10: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 20: 01 FC 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 31 16 71 05
Offset 30: 00 00 00 00 C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 FF 00 00 00
Offset 40: 0B E2 09 35 18 1C C0 00 20 20 20 20 FF 00 FF FF
Offset 50: F4 F1 07 F0 14 00 00 00 A8 A8 A8 A8 00 00 00 00
Offset 60: 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 70: 16 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 01 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 80: 28 E2 F4 02 00 00 00 00 C8 29 F5 02 00 00 00 00
Offset 90: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset C0: 01 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset D0: 06 00 71 05 31 16 71 05 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

B00 D07 F02: VIA VT83C572 PCI-USB Controller

Offset 00: 06 11 38 30 17 01 10 02 1A 00 03 0C 08 40 00 00
Offset 10: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 20: 01 C8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 25 09 34 12
Offset 30: 00 00 00 00 80 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 05 04 00 00
Offset 40: 00 12 03 00 C6 00 33 F0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 50: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 60: 10 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 70: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 80: 01 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 90: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset C0: 00 20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

B00 D07 F03: VIA VT83C572 PCI-USB Controller

Offset 00: 06 11 38 30 17 01 10 02 1A 00 03 0C 08 40 00 00
Offset 10: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 20: 01 CC 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 25 09 34 12
Offset 30: 00 00 00 00 80 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 05 04 00 00
Offset 40: 00 12 03 00 C2 00 14 14 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 50: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 60: 10 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 70: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 80: 01 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 90: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset C0: 00 20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

B00 D07 F04: VIA VT82C686B Power Management Controller

Offset 00: 06 11 57 30 00 00 90 02 40 00 80 06 00 00 00 00
Offset 10: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 11 57 30
Offset 30: 00 00 00 00 68 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 40: 20 84 59 00 9A 10 00 00 01 08 00 00 00 18 00 00
Offset 50: 00 FF FF 00 50 0C 00 00 00 FF FF 00 06 11 57 30
Offset 60: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 02 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 70: 01 0C 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 80: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 90: 01 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset D0: 00 00 01 00 00 00 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

B00 D07 F05: VIA AC'97 Audio Controller

Offset 00: 06 11 58 30 01 00 10 02 50 00 01 04 00 00 00 00
Offset 10: 01 D8 00 00 01 D4 00 00 01 D0 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 31 16 03 20
Offset 30: 00 00 00 00 C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0A 03 00 00
Offset 40: 05 C4 48 1C C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 00 00 00 00
Offset 50: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 60: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 70: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 80: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 90: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset C0: 01 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset D0: 01 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

B00 D07 F06: VIA Modem Codec

Offset 00: 06 11 68 30 01 00 10 02 30 00 80 07 00 00 00 00
Offset 10: 01 DC 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 31 16 03 30
Offset 30: 00 00 00 00 D0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0A 03 00 00
Offset 40: 05 C4 48 1C C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 00 00 00 00
Offset 50: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 60: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 70: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 80: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 90: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset C0: 01 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset D0: 01 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

B00 D08 F00: Realtek RTL8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter [A/B/C]

Offset 00: EC 10 39 81 05 01 90 02 10 00 00 02 00 40 00 00
Offset 10: 01 C4 00 00 00 FF FF DF 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 EC 10 39 81
Offset 30: 00 00 00 00 50 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 10 01 20 40
Offset 40: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 50: 01 00 C2 F7 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 60: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 70: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 80: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 90: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

B01 D00 F00: nVIDIA GeForce 6200 AGP Video Adapter

Offset 00: DE 10 21 02 07 01 B0 02 A1 00 00 03 00 F8 00 00
Offset 10: 00 00 00 DE 08 00 00 C0 00 00 00 DD 00 00 00 00
Offset 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 30: 00 00 00 00 60 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 10 01 05 01
Offset 40: 00 00 00 00 02 00 30 00 17 02 00 1F 04 03 00 1F
Offset 50: 01 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 CE D6 23 00 0F 00 00 00
Offset 60: 01 44 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 70: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 80: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 90: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 04 40 C1 00 00 00 00
Offset A0: 10 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

Debug - Video BIOS

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

C000:0000 U.v.K7400.L.w.VIDEO ......U...IBM VGA Compatible........12/21/05
C000:0040 .................z.....................".........PMIDl.o.......
C000:0080 .....3~.........................................................
C000:00C0 ................................................................
C000:0100 ....PCIR..!.........v.......GeForce 6200A VGA BIOS..............
C000:0140 .............................................Version 5.44.A2.07.
C000:0180 00 ....Copyright (C) 1996-2004 NVIDIA Corp......................
C000:01C0 .................................nv44 Board - c383h1 ..........
C000:0200 ....Chip Rev ...........BIT......G2.....B.....C.....D.....I...
C000:0240 ..L.....t.....M.....N.....P.....S.....T.....U.....V.....c.....i.
C000:0280 $.........D.."......00/00/00..........Z[..-\.....\.\.\.]:]:].\4.
C000:02C0 d.j.p..............]]...?.......".......B*.....Pm....(.....#..#.
C000:0300 ....3\..4.4....D..`.ca...J.\04/28/05..............1.....!.....C.
C000:0340 ..C.a.I...........X.......<.......C...h...Z...F.........a......X
C000:0380 e.F.@.@.@.......@.n.2...q.@.@.t.......x.2...R.f`....\...........
C000:03C0 .....u..fa....f`3....fa....C.>....2.......u.........8...t......2

Debug - Unknown

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Optical XQ9232C RSN991A SCSI CdRom Device

ich hoffe das ist das..

vielen dank schonmal.

von **web-king** am 08.02.2007, 18:55

ok bei 88 grad cpu temperatur ist das auch kein wunder! ich würde den pc mal entstauben und die funktion des lüfters prüfen wenn nicht müsste ein neuer mit neuer wärmleitpaste drauf!

von **oemer** am 08.02.2007, 20:36

hi,

aber das passiert nur bei cs 1.6...alle anderen spiele laufen ganz normal..und ich kann mir nicht vorstellen, dass cs 1.6 mehr leistung als FEAR vom pc rausholt...?

was ist denn "wärmleitpaste"??

von **iwi** am 08.02.2007, 20:51

Ich glaube man kann die Wärmeleitpaste auf den CPU sprich auf den "Prozessorkern"- Allerdings nicht zu viel.
Aber seit wann sollte man wärmeleitpaste zuhause haben? Die hat bei mir mal so'n PC Fritze drauf gemacht als ma CPU im A*** war!? :?:

//edit:

Wärmeleitpaste wird oft in Verbindung mit kleinen zu kühlenden Komponenten, zum Beispiel Prozessoren und Bauteilen der Leistungselektronik eingesetzt, um den Wärmeübergang vom Bauteil zum Kühlkörper zu verbessern. Dies ist vor allem dann bedeutsam, wenn das Bauteil, das gekühlt werden soll, eine große thermische Verlustleistung (Wärmeabgabe) pro Fläche hat.

quelle: wikipedia

von **web-king** am 08.02.2007, 20:58

wärmeleitpaste ist eine paste, die die unebenheiten zwischen dem cpugehäuse und dem kühler bereinigt und die leitfähigkeit erhöht! ---> die wärme wird mit guter richtig aufgetragener paste besser abgeleitet!

von **FortissimoIV** am 09.02.2007, 09:06

Also, auch wenn die 88°C nicht der Grund für die Abstürze bei CS wären, würde ich sie SCHNELLSTENS beseitigen. Entweder ist Dein Kühler total zugestaubt oder einfach zu schwach für die CPU. Höher als 60°C sollte die Temperatur NIEMALS liegen!

MfG, Benne

von **oemer** am 09.02.2007, 15:17

achso...ok vielen dank für die cpu hilfe ^^...

krieg ich diese paste irgendwo her oder muss ich zum pc laden?

von **web-king** am 09.02.2007, 15:21

wie lange hast du den pc schon!? Kannst du mal die genaue Bezeichnung der CPU aufschreiben, kannst du auch mit everest auslesen! Ich würde es aber erst bevor du die paste tauschst, es mal mit sauber machen versuchen!

von **oemer** am 09.02.2007, 17:35

mein pc ist ziemlich alt...so von 2001-2002 oder so...

ich versuchs mal mit putzen aber sollte nicht verstaubt sein..ich guck mal..und wieviel würde so ne paste kosten?

aber wegen dem spiel hat mir immer noch keiner geholfen?!

von **pcgreenhorn** am 09.02.2007, 20:35

Eine gute Paste kostet normalerweise etwas unter 10 €. Viele (darunter auch ich) schwören auf die Arctic Silver 5 (Link), andere wiederum auf die Coollaboratory Liquid (Link)

von **Zeroxx** am 09.02.2007, 21:13

oder auf die vor allem für anfänger sehr leicht aufzutragene Zalman-Paste: http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a199680.html

von **oemer** am 09.02.2007, 21:53

ahh ok danke...

kann ich sie mir auch bei atelco, kaufhof etc. kaufen??

von **oemer** am 10.02.2007, 14:16

Hallo,

ich habe meinen PC geputzt; da war nicht soviel Staub...hab CPU-Temperatur angeguck..als ich den pc gestartet habe, waren es 81 °C..und steig immer..jetzt ist er bei 86-87°C..also muss ich so ne paste kaufen oder??

hab bei atelco im internet geguckt..welche würdet ihr mir empfelen?? bitte um schnelle antwort..ich will die GLEICH kaufen...hier die URL: http://www1.atelco.de/6AAbKHuXne2wI3/1/ ... mit=Finden

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